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Posted: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 8:31 am

This morning Kootenai County Clerk Cliff Hayes announced Tuesday’s progress on signature verifications for the Coeur d’Alene Recall petitions.

“With the first day’s work completed, we’re finding most petition signatures are valid”, Hayes said, in a press release sent out by his office. “Or few of the petition signatures have been rejected, depending on how you want to look at it."

Approximate verification percentages for each Council member are:

Sandi Bloem Accepted: 88% Rejected: 12%

Deanna Goodlander Accepted: 88% Rejected: 12%

Mike Kennedy Accepted: 87% Rejected: 13%

Woody McEvers Accepted: 88% Rejected: 12%

Hayes said most of the invalid signatures were people with a Coeur d’Alene mailing address, but who don’t actually reside within the city limits according to the Secretary of State’s voter registration data base. He stressed that these percentages are approximate, and “are only one day’s worth of information. The percentages could, and probably will, change tomorrow.”

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38 comments:

  • Humanist posted at 10:15 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    @EA: I agree with Tom.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    Tom Taggart listed plenty of valid reasons for opposing UR listed in my last post. When common sense prevails we get someone like John Austin’s ladder climb about tax neutral, L2 form, 3% increase limit, and hearsay only about who he has talked to that already published contradictions to what he drummed up. Call them he insisted and go up the ladder, and have them explain it, but ask his questions, nobody is doing anything his way.

    I wish that three people here could be blocked so we can have a decent discussion. That is part of the tactic to obfuscate and spin. Humanist, at one point when you ran out of spin you wanted me to get a study done for you to accept - ridiculous. After many weird posts not contributing anything then it’s hey you have to direct specifics you and then I’ll answer for it, but the history is more spin and sidestepping then anything else like a moving target. A difference of opinion is one thing but instead you hang around at all times spinning anything and everything you can – who cares? Then some play the game of who is the insider; I could care less who you are, garbage in – garbage out.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 7:29 pm on Sat, Jun 16, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    Humanist, do you sense a problem, here is part of it. Tom Taggart did a nice piece about basically everyone is wrong and that perspective has a lot of merit. He points out that “The facts also vary project by project, making it even more problematic” boy isn’t that the truth while URD proponents only want to discuss the narrowest perspective and nothing about that.

    Tom also stated; “I believe in most cases property taxes are slightly higher outside of districts because of urban renewal. However, I also think it is very possible, in some cases, that property taxes are actually lower outside a district because of the impact of urban renewal.” With millions changing hands that somebody pays for the only way to get to tax neutral is to climb a ladder of factors that are unknown and well into the future. That is why when I speak to services that other taxing districts must cover I say that it is during the life of the URD to be clear and cannot then be refuted. Somebody picks up the bill for the additional services and it’s not those within the URD.

    And Tom stated; “If you are an opponent of urban renewal, oppose it because you feel government shouldn't subsidize one business over others. Oppose it because the projects they fund don't generate the type of jobs you think they should. Oppose it because they were created with too general of a mission, for too long a term. Oppose it because you feel they operate outside the control of elected officials. Just stop using the scare tactic of higher property taxes when you really have no clue if you are correct or not.

     
  • Humanist posted at 8:04 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Here LTRLTR, I'll help you a little. Here's the thread you're referring to (I believe).

    http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2012/jun/11/huckleberries-has-learned/

     
  • Humanist posted at 7:58 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote LTRLTR: "I realized that you are working very closely with Dave Oliveria when you were making comments about him in his office working on getting the petition signatures online."

    I think you are confusing your online commenters. I have no clue what you're talking about. You might want to dig through the HBO thread you're thinking of again and get your story straight. Or better yet, provide a reference to the posts you're talking about. You can even use quote blocks and I won't be offended by it.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:08 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Humanist/ Cda Humanist:

    I would like to point out that you attempt to do your preaching about being civil on this site and behaving two-faced on the Spokesman Review site.

    I realized that you are working very closely with Dave Oliveria when you were making comments about him in his office working on getting the petition signatures online. Your desk must be in full view of Mr. Oliverias.

    No ties...Right!

     
  • Humanist posted at 5:43 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote Enough Already: "Nothing to say when I point out the obvious ineptness? Nothing about the hypocrisy when pointing to only one side for the words someone chooses to use that isn’t so flattering?"

    You really are intent on trying to push my buttons, aren't you? LOL. Good luck with that.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 5:23 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    There you go again Humanist with all of that originality that you can muster. That’s it that’s your come back. Nothing to say when I point out the obvious ineptness? Nothing about the hypocrisy when pointing to only one side for the words someone chooses to use that isn’t so flattering? I guess you kept it in context though it’s hard to tell with all five words aside from dropping a quote as usual to work off of.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote Enough Already: Troll on humanist"

    You as well. Good day.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 12:36 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    BS – Humanist, that is not peaceful, what are you doing. While always backing Austin here, there you did go a little bit out on the limb when he was being PATHETIC about the recently departed and his profiteer political venture is a no brainer but for the same token wherever else he has gone includes your blessing as though you are his speech writer at times. To keep things in context attempting to set some sort of standard as you often do only here the difference is just enormous where your allegiance lies comparatively is the point.

    Of course you will continue on, you rarely if ever prove anything at all but the hypocritical never ending attack complete with spin you are all about. Totally missing originality in your comments almost always feeding off what others post trolling around not backing anything up that you say mostly just taking pot shots here and there. What you do is not common place by any means it is hypocrisy acting like you are offended or something always calling somebody on the carpet for something while sidestepping much more. I would like to say get a grip but of course that will never happen. Troll on humanist.

     
  • Humanist posted at 12:19 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote Enough Already: "with not one word spoken for them doing that"

    BS and you know it. I know you read what I said about John Austins comments and you even mentioned it in one of your posts. Here, let me quote it from your post:

    Quote Enough Already: "He finally him humanist self thinks Austin went to far "

    So give me a break, get over it, and move on.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 12:07 pm on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    No kidding you’ll continue on with quote in hand of course you’ll keep on policing the people here while your cohorts take it to a whole different level with not one word spoken for them doing that. I thought maybe you might want a study or something to keep things in context, guess not!

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:52 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Okay, Enough Already. I get that you don't like me. But I won't stop. So, can YOU accept that and move on?

     
  • Enough Already posted at 11:40 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    One recent comment of Humanist is that I’m obsessed with quotes, what a spin where obviously one is obsessed with quoting and I am tired of seeing the same old thing followed by inept comments attempting to only fuel conflict. Then those who use descriptive words that have long existed in the English language not to his liking as he dissects and attempts to police everyone except people like John Austin and DFO who go far beyond what Humanist points to. The hypocritically is he never tries to keep them in check only here does he complain. What will Humanist complain of next?

    It is not just quote blocks Humanist – wake up. It is quote blocks followed by inept comments and being the blog policeman just here.

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote Enough Already: "the list goes on"

    If you are referring to me using quote blocks, then I really have no idea why you are so bent out of shape about it. It is a VERY common practice in internet blogs and comment threads. Get over it and move on. The fact that you are trying to discredit me for my posting technique is a bit bizarre. I am not going to respond to another one of your asinine attempts at this. I hope you will also move on.

    (you see what I did there? I quoted the portion of your post that I am specifically referring to in my post. You know, to give my response some CONTEXT.)

     
  • Enough Already posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    So much for originality Humanist who can’t come up with much on his own is simply a bottom feeder! The quote king who always attempts to dissect when doing so states, “Would you REALLY want comments made by the pro-recallers dissected and re-posted?” He quotes to keep things in context, most of the time not even close just read the inept comments that follows, more like a tantrum maybe.

    Don’t use the word pathetic to describe John Austin’s actions, a staunch supported of Austin proven once again when he couldn’t be more disrespectful the word pathetic is not peaceful enough for blog policeman Captain Humanist. He finally him humanist self thinks Austin went to far but of course does not warrant the use of the word pathetic. Don’t use the word stupid either because that is just not civil enough or by no means ditz on the quote king/dissecting/inept comments that always will be coming in one form or another. Freedom of speech means yep we have to tolerate people like Humanist, but be so ever careful as not to hurt his feelings and call it like it is or say anything slighted because the distortion game is his and that’s all there is to it. Oops, is tantrum not peaceful enough?

     
  • Humanist posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote LTRLTR: "Humanist: Same type comments....right."

    I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that sentence, but in case you didn't get it the first time: I AM Humanist here and CdAHumanist on HBO.

     
  • Enough Already posted at 11:08 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    Quote Enough Already: "Enough Already!" Okay, I'll hold you to that. Enough Already!

    Quote Enough Already: "you are pathetic" More peaceful statements.

    Quote LTRLTR: "They have planted their seeds of stupidity." You chastise the anti-recall crowd for being uncivil and then you say something like that? WHAT?

    @LTRLTR: Come on, grow up. Stop playing that game. Would you REALLY want comments made by the pro-recallers dissected and re-posted? It goes both ways and there are many, many, many on your side as well. You seem to just want to stir the pot and keep the animosity and division going in this community.

    Quote Enough Already: "More quotes." Quotes help keep conversations within context. You might want to try it sometime. Or are you now against quotes?

    Quote cococo, Quote Brent Regan, Quote cd1013, @Randy Myers, Quote idaholiberal, @kimknerl, Quote Calabreze – the list goes on.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 10:45 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171


    Spokesman Review, DFO, Cda. Humanist comments:

    "We all need to take the high-road and try to remove our emotions and temptations to make things “personal” through insults and personal attacks. If we can stick to just the facts as things continue to unfold, and ignore the personal attacks coming from the other side, and you can guarantee there will be many thrown out as bait, that will make it easier."

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Humanist: Same type comments....right.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:26 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote LTRLTR: "CdaHumanist-Humanist = Patrick Jacobs=DFO sidekick"

    Yes, OBVIOUSLY, CdAHumanist on HBO is Humanist on the CdA Press web site. However, I am NOT Patrick Jacobs and I have never met DFO. In fact, I have no direct ties to any people or businesses on either side. I am an ordinary citizen who lives in Coeur d'Alene with my wife and children who cares about the future of this community and feels that this recall attempt is extremely divisive. I believe in objective, rational, reasonable and fair discourse with as much based on fact and as little based on emotion and personal vendettas as possible. I am one of many in the next generation of Coeur d'Alene. And I will not be silent. And I will attempt to discredit the recall effort where pertinent.

    You also took my statement out of context on HBO from last night. Here it is in its entirety.

    Quote Calabreze: “His comments concerning a recently deceased person are inexcusable and only hurt your cause.”

    I would agree this with statement. As an anti-recaller, I have witnessed the crassness and personal attacks on the part of the pro-recallers (it is overly abundant in the CdA Press comments), but I have to say that Mr. Austins comments on this were definitely not well thought out. Unfortunately, it’s all too easy to fire off that next comment in the heat of the moment.

    We all need to take the high-road and try to remove our emotions and temptations to make things “personal” through insults and personal attacks. If we can stick to just the facts as things continue to unfold, and ignore the personal attacks coming from the other side, and you can guarantee there will be many thrown out as bait, that will make it easier.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:18 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    CdaHumanist-Humanist = Patrick Jacobs=DFO sidekick

    His mission: To discredit those who support the Recall effort.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 8:15 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171


    CdAHumanist on June 11 at 3:32 p.m.

    @Sam_Crawford: I believe they were supplied with a digital copy of the scanned signature sheets. As were the RecallCdA folks.

    An armchair prediction: this is only the tip of the iceberg.

     
  • LTRLTR posted at 7:58 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    Cda Humanist (Humanist is the same person) performs at the Spokesman Review DFO site on June 13 at 10:32 p.m.

    " As an anti-recaller, I have witnessed the crassness and personal attacks on the part of the pro-recallers (it is overly abundant in the CdA Press comments),"

     
  • the floorist posted at 1:27 am on Thu, Jun 14, 2012.

    the floorist Posts: 331

    The L.A. Kings spanked the Devil's...


    ...it is extremely euphoric, judging from the ..."jew be lation"...


    lol

     
  • Close Enough posted at 9:47 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    IdahoJoey: thanks for the nifty tinfoil hat tip, haven't seen any UFO's lately though. But, you know what I have seen? Disgruntled elected officials and their friends. If you look at all of the HAD's on huckleberries/facebook you will find that they are going through the petitions and highlighting individual petitioners who work for the city, are connected to the city, or work for entities with strong ties to the council. In light of this reality, Deniles comment is not absurd. Actually, quite the contrary-- it's relevant-- and sound advice.

     
  • Humanist posted at 9:28 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    Quote Enough Already: "He thinks I have problems with quotes – far from it, just how one does it then elaborates consistently such as he does for conflict sake. "

    You seem to still be talking about quotes. Hmm, obsess much?

     
  • Enough Already posted at 8:23 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Enough Already Posts: 203

    Betrayer of Hope, Humanist appears to be all about discord his humanist self constantly pulling quotes generally followed by some inept dialog. He thinks I have problems with quotes – far from it, just how one does it then elaborates consistently such as he does for conflict sake.

     
  • mister d posted at 5:55 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    mister d Posts: 1531

    Yep, as expected.

     
  • objective posted at 4:35 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    objective Posts: 73

    "If" the numbers hold and the 4 are to placed on the ballot:
    1. Will the Mayor finally show enough character and humility to resign during the 5 days allocated for resignations?
    2. Will the Mayor continue down the path of arrogance and "feet stuck in the mud",I am the leader mindset?
    3. Will ANY of the other 3 show some concern for the city and begin to end the divide by resigning?
    4. Will all 4 continue to be blind to what the community wants and say once again..."we don't give a d#@$ what you say , we're sticking to what "WE" want...Remember YOU elected us to be overlord!"
    What say ye?

     
  • bionic man posted at 3:13 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    AMAZING. They are verifying the "recall" signatures closer than what they do on the "normal" elections. The good thing about this, it is very closely watched by many, may change the course of voting in CDA elections. The next step........the "4 muskateers" will be changing their diapers on an hourly basis.

     
  • IdahoJoey posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    IdahoJoey Posts: 343

    @DeNiles And I quote the indominatable British rockers The Kinks . . . "paranoia the destroyer!"

    I've heard that if you wrap aluminum foil around your head the aliens cannot read your mind!

    C'mon . . . really? Do you REALLY think it's that bad?

     
  • Close Enough posted at 1:36 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    @BoH: I believe an apt descriptive term would be D-E-Luuusssional.

    Huckleberriers Are Delusional-- HAD. Better acronym than Cavers if you ask me. They support people that soon will soon be said to have "HAD power," but alas... not any longer.

     
  • Betrayer of Hope posted at 12:47 pm on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Betrayer of Hope Posts: 113

    Humanist accuses many people of sowing discord or trying to start conflict. Is he living in an alternate reality? Or just super sensitive?

     
  • DeNiles posted at 10:30 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    DeNiles Posts: 2450

    I'd advise everyone who signed the recall petitions to be very wary and to document all that happens to them as the recall unfolds. This is especially true for any gov't employees or businesses who deal with the gov't. These are desperate people with much to lose and not overly endowed with ethics or scruples. Until they are gone, they are dangerous. Keep those cell phone recorders and cameras handy.

     
  • Humanist posted at 10:24 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Humanist Posts: 3072

    @kimknerl: For someone so intent on being "4 Peace", you sure seem intent on creating a lack of it.

     
  • kimknerl posted at 9:56 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    kimknerl Posts: 286

    So, likely around town there are those who are:

    a) thinking about composing a letter of response to their potential recall,
    b) writing a letter of resignation,
    c) attempting to create a slogan that will work for the upcoming elections
    (unlike the Decline to Sign catchphrase),
    d) selling leftover Decline to Sign buttons, t-shirts, yard signs on EBay,
    e) wishing they had respected public opinion,
    f) looking for any possible legal roadblock to deny people the vote,
    g) or just relaxing, knowing that soon they will have their opinion heard in the voting booth.

     
  • Close Enough posted at 9:35 am on Wed, Jun 13, 2012.

    Close Enough Posts: 134

    Kind of makes me feel like Riverdancing.

     
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