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Person Field sale finished

City agrees to pay $750,000 for Person, Bryan land

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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 12:00 am


The city of Coeur d'Alene agreed to purchase Person and Bryan fields from the Coeur d'Alene School District Tuesday night, ending an at times rocky negotiating process that lasted several months between the two entities.

The city agreed to pay $750,000 for the roughly 2-acre Bryan Field and the 3.8-acre portion of the 7-acre Person Field owned by the district.

The council, however, reiterated some arguments it has voiced throughout the negotiating process before agreeing to the purchase - namely, it felt it was coming up on the short end of the financial deal.

"I'm tired of this issue, we have debated it long enough," City Councilman Mike Kennedy said. "At the end of the day, let's just move forward."

The sticking points for the City Council were two-fold: It disagreed with the appraised value of the properties and believed the Person Field property was rightfully the city's property to begin with. Those topics came up last month when the two entities had a public meeting on terms of the deal. That meeting settled on an amount between $655,000 and $750,000. Before that figure could get settled, Bryan Field would have to be appraised, which it was recently to the tune of $309,000.

That put the combined, independently appraised value of the two properties at $964,000.

The property valuations were both completed by Coeur d'Alene appraiser Edwin Muehlbach.

But the lands were appraised at Residential 12 zoning. Each of the properties is zoned R12, meaning they could be developed into multi-unit properties if they were sold through a sealed bid process to a private buyer. The city, though, said they should have been appraised at park land zoning, since the goal of the deal was to ensure both remain public parks, and that would have dropped the value in the ballpark of $600,000.

Added to that, the city said, the city gave the school district its half of Person Field in a "good faith" deal roughly 20 years ago so the school district could receive land near Lake City High School while keeping enough property near Lakes Middle School to keep accreditation.

Now, the city said, it will be more diligent in future deals, instead of counting on "good faith" ones to pay dividends in the future. The council approved the purchase four votes to one, with Councilman Ron Edinger voting against it.

"I'm saddened it came to this," Mayor Sandi Bloem said. "In all good faith, we gave (a portion of Person Field) to the district."

But the school district has maintained since negotiations began that it was statutorily required to conduct its business in the best way for the district. It owned Person Field, regardless of what happened roughly 20 years ago prior to it obtaining the parcel.

"We don't believe their perspective is correct," said School Superintendent Hazel Bauman following the meeting. She attended the council meeting along with trustees Ann Seddon, Brent Regan, Jim Hightower and Tom Hamilton. "There are many more legs to this octopus than those that were talked about tonight. But we think the best thing that was said was we got to move on, both entities have a lot to do."

The school district wanted to sell the park properties so it can fund the acquisition of a new district office building located on Northwood Center Court, near the intersection of Northwest Boulevard and Ironwood Drive.

Bauman called the final deal "very good news," but didn't want to rehash negotiating points the entities had been volleying during the previous months.

"I don't think it would serve any purpose for me to rebut or to send slings and arrows toward the city," she said. "I believe taking the high road is the appropriate way so that our community can move forward and both entities, both leaderships - trustees and city council - can get on with the business of being leaders in the community."

The city plans to pay for the properties out of its rainy day fund.

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  • billy43 posted at 8:24 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    billy43 Posts: 56

    Crazy!!! I would rather watch Law & Order reruns than read this. I guess it (the reading & responding)is not my thing. Thanks for not hacking me for my comment. I am out of here.

  • billy43 posted at 7:37 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    billy43 Posts: 56

    Wow!!! How old are all of you? Please read your comments from the beginning. I realize this is a blog and the purpose of the blog, but really. Use your time in a better way. Want to make a change, vote. Convince your friends, family, neighbors, etc. to vote. I am only 43 and you can be more constructive.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 7:23 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Thank you the floorist. I completely forgot about the timeless stakeholder connection and why the support for the FAB4 and all things LCDC. It also explains a lot about the call to the SOS in order to confuse the recall effort. LOL (sadly)

  • apathoid posted at 4:35 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Timeless is obviously one of the cronies making money off the shenanigans of the Fab Four. Don't take his bait. He laughs all the way to his crooked bank...

  • concernedcitizen posted at 4:09 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    you were a bully when you were a kid weren't you. I can tell by your self absorbed superiority and disdain toward the average taxpayer that is not of your elitist status. I see you constantly make foolish remarks putting down Mary, Bill, Frank and others that do not believe in your hijacking (theft) of taxpayers funds for your elitist friends to profit at the expense everyone else.

  • Timeless posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Concerned: You were picked on when you were a kid, weren't you. I can tell by the size of that chip on your shoulder. When our beautiful new park is complete, you may want to venture there and shake it off....or you may choose to continue to make foolish remarks on the CDA Press blog. Your choice. 😚

  • bionic man posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    bionic man Posts: 347

    Hey.........the " rainy day fund " is what the fantastic 4 deem necessary. We as taxpayers have no say. Remember "WE" elected them to do what is/was best for the city. Guess what, they do what's best for them with no consideration to the taxpayers. Their, money, money...all intheir pockets.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    Actually timless, just talking to you in a way that you and the other school yard bullies understand.

  • parent posted at 8:38 am on Thu, Feb 21, 2013.

    parent Posts: 347

    I just watched the city council meeting and I am so irritated. This was a business deal and was to be handled as one. All this, I scratch your back you scratch mine behind closed doors dealings that have gone on in our community by those in leadership is over. Yes, it's time to do business out in the open for all to see and know about. Put it in writing and handle business professionally. These old out dated ways of doing business are confusing and irritating. No problem with good deals but let's keep it on paper and clean. Mceuen vs. education, you have to wonder what they are thinking ??? PRIORITIES
    Money for one but not the other????

  • apathoid posted at 8:28 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    apathoid Posts: 211

    Last time, Nitwits! The city never ever never not once owned Person Field except for the part given to THEM by the district. Just 'cuz Old Man Edinger says it don't make it so. I know telling the truth isn't as much fun as playing Bash the School Board but facts are facts!

  • parent posted at 8:03 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    parent Posts: 347

    Timeless, you are the one who needs an education, want one????? : )

  • Timeless posted at 4:48 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    OMG Concerned (what, are you 16?)

    Clearly you don't understand the history of ownership of Person Field. You should educate yourself before making hysterical comments.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 4:20 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    OMG timeless,

    Typical politician. Everything should be "given"? That must be why you believe your millionaire stakeholder friends should be "given" taxpayer money for their for profit ventures? And your millionaire stakeholder friends should profit from taxpayer money from McEuen?

    I THANK the school board for finally making a stand against you, the rest of the council along with our "saddened" mayor. Sorry, SAD excuse for a mayor.

  • Timeless posted at 2:45 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    What bothers me is that half of Person Field was given to 271 in very good faith years ago, when it was discovered that the Mid High ( Lakes) needed to retain some ownership in Persons to keep its accreditation. It was good of the City to do that. Something that is called " working for the good of the people." 271 should have returned the favor and it didn't, that's what bothers me.

    I was not in attendance nor did I watch the council meeting you are referring to.
    I will not be going to your sour site to read your or Bill's biased account of the meeting.
    Shame on the School Board for not returning that property to the City , at no charge.

  • Mary Souza posted at 2:23 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    Bill McCrory, over on our web site at, posted a good analysis of the Council's action on the Person Field issue. You can read it here:

    Timeless, does the rude, unprofessional behavior of the Mayor and most of the Council bother you in any way?

  • Timeless posted at 1:43 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Mary and CClavin,

    I am not associated with City Hall , past or present. I'm simply a Coeur d Alene native of 60 years ( that should count for something) that is not afraid to call a spade , a spade.

  • Timeless posted at 1:28 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    The only deflecting taking place here, is coming from you. Acknowledge the fact that you failed to see that these fields were improperly zoned when you were on P & Z and again failed to bring it to the attention of those that could change it....the Council.

    How long have these properties been improperly zoned? I have a feeling it goes back long before this Council was in place.......with the exception of Councilman Edinger possibly.

    The political posturing award rests solely with you.

  • CClavin posted at 1:26 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    I agree with Mary,.......Timeless is "somebody" at City hall or perhaps a council member based on past remarks that only City insiders would know.

  • Mary Souza posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    Timeless, you are obviously someone at City Hall and are trying to deflect the Mayor and Council's unprofessional behavior last night by pointing fingers at me. That's a lame argument. My frustration with the Council, in my comment this morning at 10:04am, was that THEY were trying to blame the School District for the higher appraisals on these properties, caused by the R-12 zoning that the CITY established.

    You many not see that the City has no leg to stand on in that argument, Timeless, but I think all the other readers will understand it.

    And the rude, insulting behavior of most the Council members toward the School Board was totally out of line. It was political posturing at its worst.

  • Timeless posted at 12:32 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Planning and zoning is a panel of CDA residents whose responsibility is to make recommendations to the City Council.
    *Mary was on P & Z
    *Mary did not note, suggest, discuss with the other members or encourage a recommend to Council that the zoning should be changed at Persons or Bryan.
    *Mary failed. It is wrong for her to chastise the Council about the zoning of those two properties, when she was I a position to do something about it at one time and didn't.

    If you think that I believe that Mary should have the "ultimate say" on any subject, you are sorely mistaken.

  • Timeless posted at 12:11 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Oh... Mary, I'm still waiting for you to DEMAND a Kootenai County Advisory Vote on the Hydroplane Races set for this summer. As you should know, the residents of Cda, TWICE voted against the races. Now that they will be held, technically in the County; where is your outrage!? Had this been backed by the City and Mayor, you would have been screeching "foul play."
    Oh, wait...your husband is on the committee that is promoting this assault on our last, once quiet weekend of the summer.
    As you like to say....Move along, nothing to see here.

  • concernedcitizen posted at 12:05 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530


    you make it sound like Mary was the only one on P&Z and had ultimate say. you are such a spin master. Typical politician.

  • Timeless posted at 10:45 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Timeless Posts: 480

    Mary: Again... YOU were on Planning and Zoning, YOU did not at that time make an effort to change the zoning of Persons and Bryan Fields. You should be taking your share of responsibility for not having seen to those changes years ago; when you were in a position to suggest and FOLLOW THROUGH with a zone change.
    As you point your spindly finger, remember that 3 more fingers are pointing back at you.

  • Mary Souza posted at 10:04 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    Mary Souza Posts: 808

    The city voiced eager agreement to this same deal, last month, when they were in front of a big crowd of supportive citizens at the joint public meeting with the District. Now, they are crabbing and complaining that they're getting a bad deal. And their behavior at last night's meeting was awful. They were rude, personally insulting to School officials sitting in the audience and, as is not unusual for our Mayor and most of the Council, they were highly unprofessional.

    Let's not forget that it was the CITY that zoned these properties R-12. The School District has absolutely no control over land zoning.

  • CClavin posted at 9:29 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    CClavin Posts: 221

    ."I'm saddened it came to this," Mayor Sandi Bloem said"

    Well, I am saddened that the City has no leadership and it is really a defunct government. The truth is that the City leaders are in way over their heads and have steered the citizens wrong. They are spending money they don't have. Here is the question of the day. So the Mayor & Council robbed the rainy day fund, what happens when it starts raining????

  • parent posted at 7:58 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    parent Posts: 347

    Ditto !

  • LTRLTR posted at 7:33 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    LTRLTR Posts: 1171

    "I'm saddened it came to this," Mayor Sandi Bloem said"......

    I'm very saddened that the City of Coeur d'Alene gave away a building paid for by property owners worth millions, gave away the old library property on Harrison to a non-profit worth thousands, and decided to spend $20 plus million dollars on redecorating a park without a vote of the community.

    Shame on you Mayor Bloem!

  • concernedcitizen posted at 6:17 am on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

    concernedcitizen Posts: 2530

    mayor b is spending TENS of MILLIONS of OUR tax dollars, raising water rates, implementing questionably legal storm water fees, she supports the tax sucking corporate welfare organization known as the LCDC and she is squabbling and "SADDENED" that the we "TAXPAYERS" have to pay a few hundred thousand to keep a little green space in a non stakeholder area that she cannot personally capitalize on.

    NO lady, it saddens ME that the anti crowd did not see through your shenanigans. It saddens ME that our corrupt SOS helped your efforts as well.

    mayor b, Do you wanto to know what is REALLY sad? A corrupt government.

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