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Citizens worlds apart on wolves

Posted: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 11:28:41 pm PDT
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By TOM GREENE
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Proposal calls for 25 animals to be harvested in Panhandle Region in 2008

COEUR d'ALENE -- Idaho Fish and Game officials heard wolf horror stories and pleas for restraint in managing the species Wednesday at the Silver Lake Motel and Convention Center.

In his 24 years in Fish and Game, regional wildlife manager Jim Hayden told the crowd of about 75 that the wolf issue was "undeniably the most controversial -- the most polarized."

Fish and Game held the meeting to seek public input on the 2008 wolf hunting season as part of the first Idaho Wolf Population Management Plan. The state took over managing wolves on March 28 after they were taken off the endangered species list.

With an estimated 87 wolves in the Panhandle Region, the proposed plan calls for allowing 25 wolves to be harvested in the area in 2008. Hayden pointed out that the wolf population is growing at a rate of 29 percent a year, so without a harvest the population would grow to 112 wolves.

"The difference is 25, which is the number needed to be taken to keep it at 87," Hayden said. "The objective is to halt the growth of the wolf population in the Panhandle zone in 2008; not to have any less, not to have any more."

When the limit is reached, hunting is closed.

Details for the fall hunting season are expected to be set in late May, with regulations available to the public in July.

Kayla Freeman of Rathdrum believes wolves "definitely need to be managed."

"My dogs actually got attacked out at hunting camp," said Freeman, who hunts in the Avery area. "There were seven dogs and five kids in camp. The wolves came in at 5:30. It's getting hard to hunt out there."

Fred Bardelli said the plan "allows wolves to be murdered and pups to be murdered," in cruel ways and people will be judged by how they treat their animals.

"When will the state of Idaho repeal the horrible policy of killing wolves?" Bardelli said.

Rathdrum's Wayne Hammond said a "huge 150-pound" wolf came through his camp with five others, then "sat on the other side of the (St. Joe) river and howled at me."

"I did nothing," Hammond said. "I have never seen the kind of predation that's taken place in the last two years in the St. Joe area."

Barry Rosenberg said he has lived in the Priest Lake area for 33 years and "I've never seen a wolf."

With poaching and wolf numbers that are impossible to ensure are 100 percent accurate, Rosenberg said he had concerns about how Fish and Game would keep the population where it needs to be.

"How do you know when you reach that magic number?" Rosenberg said.

The location for the meeting tonight at 7 in St. Maries on the wolf hunting season has been changed to the Eagles Lodge, 707 Main Street.


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well wrote on May 27, 2008 8:23 PM:

" I hope that I get a chance to shoot a wolf hunter.

Accidentally, of course.

Be careful out there, fellers. "

volder wrote on May 27, 2008 6:13 PM:

" This is not a political debate, Clinton this, Bush that, give it a break .Dem's Rep"s they are just different sides of the same corrupt coin. As for wolves they make very nice cold weather coats. Just follow the laws and all the live and let live bleeding hearts can do is complain. "

to Conviction wrote on May 27, 2008 6:09 PM:

" Oh, do quit whining. You've found some minor little quibble to harp on, just like every other Californian up here - we are so sick of your ilk up here. "

Conviction wrote on May 27, 2008 5:49 PM:

" What I would like to know is when are the TOP F&G management people going to be convicted for turning NON NATIVE wolves loose in Idaho that have NO protection at all when it comes to shooting them going to happen?
Hunting season for a NON NATIVE animal,,,"What a joke".
Please read the law about shooting NON NATIVE animals "Find out the real truth".....!! "

so wrote on May 27, 2008 7:57 AM:

" It was Bill that brought them back? Another thing he did better than Bush. One of thousands of things he did better than the sad sack we've got in the white house now... "

Ridgerunner wrote on May 27, 2008 1:06 AM:

" The wolves were forced upon us by Bill Clinton's administration. Thanks for your legacy Bill! Tell Monica hello for us! "

so wrote on May 26, 2008 7:46 AM:

" (The horses didn't care for them either).

***Are horses hunted game now? Cool, cause they're good eatin!

Easier to hit when I'm drunk, too. "

save the elk shoot a wolf wrote on May 26, 2008 12:04 AM:

" Thanks Fish & Game.

Its nice to see a regulatory agency with courage to go against those who don't understand the impact wolves create.

When, after 25 years hunting in the "goat" region of the Joe, and hearing their "howls" and seeing them for the first time, and the correlation to the lack of Elk, you get a real clear picture of whats "goin on, in them there hills".

(The horses didn't care for them either).


P.S. Mike D, too funny. lol. "

Sean wrote on May 22, 2008 8:19 PM:

" You gave me a good idea. If I catch two wolfs getting it on I can get two with one bullet:) I think it's so freaking funny that some people get so sassy about this subject. I bet you wouldn't be so huffy if a wolf had you cornered. All you environmentalists want your cake and eat it to. When wolfs kill all the deer and elk, and they are on the endangered species list, there will be a no bag limit on wolfs and we will kill more than we would now. The Fish and Game has done a great job of keeping things in balance. Why dont we all let them do there job. All the whining in the world isn't going to change anything so let it go. "

one shot wrote on May 21, 2008 9:44 AM:

" i shot a pregnant wolf yesterday outside of kellogg! it was attacking me! "

local res wrote on May 21, 2008 3:32 AM:

" Some of you just don't understand what is really behind the introduction of the Canadian Wolf. With the increased wolf kills in the deer and elk populations, there is less and less of a surplus of these big game animals for the human hunters to consume. Hence in a short time there will be no reason to have Big Game hunts. One must ask why were the Canadian wolves placed on the endangered species list when there is an abundance of these animals in Canada. Many in previous post claim wolves were here before, yep that is true, but there was also no big game populations here in large numbers until after the early 1900's when fire and logging opened up the forest canopy alloweing more feeding areas. "

ooh Sean wrote on May 20, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Wow, wolf killing p0rn, huh? You trailer trash types sure get off in weird ways.

Most real men like women, but if you're into watching wolves get shot, well, hell, it IS America after all...there's probably a web site out there that feeds your weird little perversion. "

Sean wrote on May 20, 2008 5:51 PM:

" Its about time I have been waiting to put a bullet in a wolf for a long time. I had better make sure to get it on video so a can savor the moment over and over again. "

well wrote on May 20, 2008 2:42 PM:

" Luckily, with the skyrocketing cost of ammunition, the people here wanting to shoot the wolves won't be able to afford both ammo and the lot rent for their single wide and their 40-oz Keystone Lights, so the wolves will be mighty safe. "

lol wrote on May 20, 2008 10:51 AM:

" F&G didn't learn when they released German Browns, pike and muskies. Why would they learn from the release of non-native wolves? "

keep it simple here wrote on May 20, 2008 10:35 AM:

" poach 'em "

hey DNA wrote on May 19, 2008 5:23 AM:

" You'd make more sense if you did two things: 1) Sober up prior to posting and 2) use a dictionary. "

Hey Mike wrote on May 18, 2008 7:35 PM:

" Quit being an idiot. The reason people aren't complaining about the abhorrent practice you speak of is that they haven't HEARD of it. One of the things we see repeated again and again from Republican led offices is secrecy. They KNOW that people are opposed to their policies, so they don't want people to know about them. Sounds to me like you're part of that of deceiver crowd. "

DNA wrote on May 18, 2008 6:37 PM:

" I hear they maybe able to create life from prehistortic DNA.
GOD forbid the LOONY envirmentalist get ahold of that one or we will have dinosaurs back in Idaho again.

Presonally I don't see what the F&G can do to anyone that kills a NON NATIVE wolf not to mention illegaly introduced wolf into this state.
NOTE: These scum bag LOONY enviromentalists need to have survalence done on them because they are turning HYBY-BREED wolves loose in our forests also and that contributes to the lack of fear of humans.. "

volder wrote on May 18, 2008 2:00 PM:

" and people complain about me not making sence .... "

Mike D. wrote on May 18, 2008 9:44 AM:

" Interestingly, also last Wednesday the final Recovery Plan for the Northern Spotted Owl was released by the USFWS. It calls for blasting barred owls with shotguns from pickup trucks, something the USFWS biologists cunningly refer to as "a redneck sport."

Where are all the weepy nature lovers on that? Cuddly little owls are going to be blasted to smithereens for some rather questionable (scientifically) reasons, and the bunny huggers are as mute as clams.

"Oh, oh, can't we all live together? The owls were here first. They have more rights than humans. It's all because of those macho testosterone Rambos who kill owls for sport thrills."

Nope. None of that. Instead its, "Here, birdie, birdie, birdie," and then ka-blamo! And since barred owls and spotted owls are virtually identical, and interbreed, there's no telling what exactly it was that got blasted.

Save a wolf, blast an owl, and that's coming out of the same mouths of the same pathetic people. Raving lunatic hypocrisy. "

sjs wrote on May 18, 2008 9:30 AM:

" Curt wrote on May 15, 2008 3:40 AM:

" Leave the wolfs alone..they were here before we were!!!! "

How many times does it have to be said? Canadian Gray Wolves are NOT native to Idaho. The Idaho Timber Wolf WAS here and there WERE some still here BEFORE the Canadian Gray wolf was brought into the area by the USFWS. Yes, a NON-native animal released in the wilds - isn't that against the law? hmmm, maybe the USFWS's top guns should be arrested. "

logic wrote on May 16, 2008 2:05 PM:

" I don't say much to the Rambos, because I haven't actually seen any of them out there in the woods doing what they like to brag about doing. Besides, the Fish & Game will keep track of the numbers, and will shut down the hunting season if too many are taken. "

to logic wrote on May 16, 2008 12:03 PM:

" What do say to all the self-proclaimed Rambo's out there ready to rock-n-roll with an M-60 and a belt of ammo slung, manly-style, over their chests? Talk about over-wrought! If they weren't so self-important, it wouldn't be nearly so amusing. "

logic wrote on May 16, 2008 11:41 AM:

" When you are talking game management, you need to use logic and science, not "compassion". Do you guys do ANY research into this before you post your emotional opinions? They're not going to "slaughter" them. They are going to keep the numbers at manageable levels. You think there are "sanctuaries", or "less inhabited areas" around that can handle hundreds of wolves a year? The wolves are already in the least populated areas, and are now traveling into more populated areas. "

zac wrote on May 15, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Sounds like Hammond had to much to drink. "

also wrote on May 15, 2008 4:14 PM:

" This is also happening in the palouse area. Wolves never seen in area's before are popping up everywhere, getting close to town. My folks have lived on paradise ridge for over 30 yrs and never had to worry about chaining the dogs up, but now that neighbors have spotted them a few times, it's scary to let the dogs run around on the acreage that we grew up on , and had never worried about things like this before. "

to Just Me wrote on May 15, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Is this a Testerone thing?"

Kinda, I think. Any time the wolf subject comes up, a bunch of faux-macho men come out of the woodwork, thumping their chests and proclaiming all the Big and Bad things they're going to do - anything from shooting all the wolves to shooting the people that introduced them to Idaho. Since they're very likely middle aged, balding and obese, I think this is probably the only way they have to try to reclaim whatever youthful machismo they may have once had. It always strikes me as pretty funny, those laughable ol' farts trying to reclaim their inner badass. But, hey, they're just spouting off on the net, not actually doing anything, so they're mostly harmless, I suppose; let 'em rant-n-rave, it's probably all they've got left to live for in this world. "

keep it simple here wrote on May 15, 2008 3:18 PM:

" poach em' "

More from Mullan wrote on May 15, 2008 2:45 PM:

" LOOKOUT PASS, Idaho -- A North Idaho man man says he had no choice but to shoot a wolf after it attacked his dog, and left dead animals scattered all over the forest near Lookout Pass.



Steve Murphy/KREM.com

North Idaho man kills wolf after pets are attacked

Barry Sadler says a wolf pack has been moving closer and closer to his home in Mullan even staring down his children and livestock. One of his guard dogs is missing and for the second time in two weeks wolves attacked another one of his dogs and nearly killed her. It is unlawful in Idaho to kill a wolf unless it endangers the life of a person or their property.

An official with Idaho Fish and Game investigated and says it appears Sadler's actions were justified.
"

stilll wrote on May 15, 2008 2:36 PM:

" If more wolves mean fewer drunken hunters endangering the local populace and poaching game out of season, I'll take more wolves. "

It Cant be wrote on May 15, 2008 2:34 PM:

" North Idaho man kills wolf attacking his dogs

Posted: May 14, 2008 08:51 PM PDT

Updated: May 14, 2008 08:53 PM PDT
Also See:

Shoshone County man kills wolf attacking his dog

Story by:

Karina Shagren / KXLY4 Reporter

MULLAN, Idaho -- A Shoshone County man says a pack of gray wolves is getting within yards of his home, and just Tuesday, he shot and killed one, while it was attacking his pet dog near Mullan.

"

to Just Wait wrote on May 15, 2008 2:26 PM:

" You don't have to wait. Go to KXLY.Com and see the news report of 5 wolves attacking a family dog just East of here. This is going to get worse before it gets better. "

just me wrote on May 15, 2008 1:46 PM:

" There are pros and cons of both sides. Firstly, we spend lots of Federal $$$ to bring back the wolf, only to go out and slaughter them. Look what we did to the Buffalo, went out and made sure we slaughtered them.

I agree with Susan and Well with their statements.

Is this a Testerone thing? We are living in more and more of the wildlife habitat, leaving nothing for them. Then people complain. No, I don't want a wolf to kill my pets. The coyotes alread have done that by taking my cats. Cats stay indoors now and go out when I go out. Same with my dogs.

I say there is a better way to manage the Wolves. There are alot of sanctuaries around. Look to that instead of being like Alaska. They murder them by running them down with airplanes, motor bikes, snowmobiles. Then stand around and scratch their nads like, wow, what a tuff hunt.

Come on people, don't you have any compassion? "

Jerry R. Boggs wrote on May 15, 2008 1:28 PM:

" I was at this meeting at which a new formula for calculating wolf numbers was presented. Comments provided on the hunting proposal which were based on the population numbers available in the Wolf Management Plan were worthless. Instead of the 37 wolves noted in the Panhandle, now there are reported to be 87, a 235% increase. As far as I know, these later numbers were not made available for review and comment by the concerned publics on both sides of the issues. If one expands the increase to the whole state of Idaho, we're looking at close to 2000 wolves. Some in the audience thought IDFG was estimating way too low-maybe they are right.

Which numbers are correct? Why did the State not share the later figures with those who care? "

just wait.. wrote on May 15, 2008 12:41 PM:

" wait until the wolves get closer and start eating peoples dog's, cat's, other pets, etc..
They are in fact becoming less scared of humans, it's sad, but I certainly dont want them around!! "

Duh wrote on May 15, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Your right, we should trap them and take them to Canada. Susan you're a genius. Why didn't I think of that. "

trouble ahead wrote on May 15, 2008 9:43 AM:

" The original plan called for 10 breeding pairs or 100 wolves in all of Idaho. Now we have 87 in the panhandle alone. Seems to me we should shoot every one of them. I've seem 12 cow elk in the last 2 days, not a calf among them. I know that it is very emotional for those who love the wolf but why do they hate the elk? They have unleashed a force here that will be very damaging for years to come. Someday people will rise up and re eradicate these beasts. Until then, be on the lookout. As these animals overpopulate they will become bold and increasingly desperate. When they chase all the prey animals into populated areas don't expect them to show restraint. "

wow wrote on May 15, 2008 9:38 AM:

" Flies were here before humans too, but for some reason its ok to swat them when they land on the window.
Why should an animal that also does not co-habitate well with humans or any other animal for that matter, be any different? Sabertooth tigers were here first too, that doesnt mean we should cloan a bunch from DNA and re-introduce them. "

Susan wrote on May 15, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Is there no way of controlling the wolves except to slaughter them? Can't they be trapped and transferred elsewhere, to a less inhabited area? Definitely more work and probably more expense to do this, but it is done in many instances with many types of animals. Killing them is only the best answer for those who love to go kill things. It's the same with coyotes in my area...when they are deemed to have over-populated the locals demand "coyote hunts" to rid the area of a certain number of them. But when you eliminate the predators you end up with a lot of unwanted prey...rats, mice, rabbits, gophers, etc. "

To Curt wrote on May 15, 2008 9:01 AM:

" ...what about Roaches? They were here before us too. "

well wrote on May 15, 2008 8:53 AM:

" I'd rather have the wolves than the hunters. Never had a wolf shoot their weapon at midnight or leave a wrecked campsite piled high with beer cans on my property. "

Chad wrote on May 15, 2008 8:11 AM:

" Introducing wolves here was a mistake in the first place. 87 is still too many. These ridiculous animals rights freaks have no rhyme or reason why the "love" wolves so much, except for it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

"

gw wrote on May 15, 2008 7:48 AM:

" They should put a bounty on wolves. "

DC wrote on May 15, 2008 7:09 AM:

" Now this makes no sense. Go to all the work and expense of relocating some wolves to our area, only to kill them. Your tax dollars at work. "

Jim Plante wrote on May 15, 2008 7:04 AM:

" This breed of wolf is not native to the region or Northern Idaho. Those that insist on it being here should all have their own pack, restricted with in their property lines. "

What the wrote on May 15, 2008 5:19 AM:

" Mr Hammond you need to keep off the wackey bacca!! 150 lb wolf!!!...The best size for a female would be a good sized German Shepard dog, so heavens sake lets keep in the realms of the real world.I have no problem keeping wolf numbers within reasonable limits but lets remember wolfs like bears and Elk were walking these parts long before ex Europeans invaded their habitat.

As Rosenberg said getting accurate figures is pure guess work and any wolf coming on private land stands a good chance of being shot in or out of the hunting season. "

Curt wrote on May 15, 2008 3:40 AM:

" Leave the wolfs alone..they were here before we were!!!! "

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