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Hunter may face criminal charges

Posted: Wednesday, Oct 24, 2007 - 10:08:32 pm PDT
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By SEAN GARMIRE
and MARC STEWART
Staff writers 

Identity of shooter will not be revealed until charging decision made or case closes

COEUR d'ALENE -- Kootenai County Prosecutor Bill Douglas will decide if the person who shot and killed a 22-year-old Bayview man will face criminal charges.

Kootenai County sheriff detectives said the shooter and David Howard were about 70 feet apart in a wooded area with thick brush when the shooting occurred around 6 p.m. Tuesday.

"The victim was shot once in the side of the chest with a .300 Winchester Magnum rifle," Capt. Ben Wolfinger said.

"No one in the party was wearing hunter orange or any bright color."

Howard was wearing blue jeans and a gray sweatshirt, Wolfinger said.

"A third member of the hunting party was a short distance behind the victim and was able to help investigators piece the scene together," he said.

The shooter's name will not be released until either a charging decision is made or the case is closed by Douglas, Wolfinger said.

There have been two hunting-related fatalities that have occurred across Idaho in less than a week. Those incidents have brought into view the responsibilities hunters face in the wilderness.

Firearms, being loaded, shouldered and carried through the woods should be treated with care, Pete Gardner, volunteer services coordinator for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game, said.

"You always want to keep the muzzle in a safe direction, you always want to treat (a gun) like it's a loaded weapon," he said.

It's advice that could save lives.

According to records kept by Fish and Game, in the past 28 years in Idaho there have been 214 hunting-related injuries.

In that time, 51 people have died in hunting-related accidents in the state.

The highest number of fatalities in that time occurred in 1990, when five people across the state died.

Last year, there were two hunting deaths in Idaho; this year, so far, three.

The first was a St. Maries man, who died Monday after accidentally discharging his shotgun into his chest while boarding his ATV.

The second, Howard, died from a gunshot wound inflicted by members of his own hunting party this week.

It is unclear but unlikely a Pocatello resident who died of a heart attack hunting elk in Bonneville County Wednesday will be added to the list of Idaho hunting fatalities. Game authorities in Boise said it is doubtful he will be, since the death was health related. An investigation is pending.

"It's tragic in every case," John Gribbin said.

John Gribbin, a hunter education coordinator for Fish and Game, said the department encourages people to exercise and condition in the off-season to help prevent health problems in the field.

"We have a pretty thorough educational program, and we cover just about everything that has happened this season," he said.

Gribbin said hunters should keep guns unloaded until they have their target in sight.

"You really need to identify your target; what's in front of it, and what's behind it. Sometimes you've got to pass things up," he said.

The amount of light, the time of day, the mental state of the hunter, all are factors to consider before anyone takes a shot.

People should also always be aware of where their hunting partners are, he said.

While hunters are not required in Idaho to wear the bright, blaze orange colors that stand out in sharp relief against the forest greens and browns, Gribbin said they're a good idea.

Information: http://fishandgame.idaho.gov


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yeah wrote on Oct 30, 2007 11:49 AM:

" yeah, make all the hunters wear blaze organge, then only the unsuspecting hikers will get shot? Hey, it's not bright orange, I guess I can shoot it! "

TO,TO Me wrote on Oct 26, 2007 9:17 AM:

" You tell em Mr. obvious! "

To: Me wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:32 AM:

" I moved to Northern Idaho from Colorado years ago. Colorado requires all hunters to wear orange covering head and upper body. Every year someone gets shot by another hunter in Colorado. There just is no excuse for shooting another person in my opinion. If you can not see well enough or control yourself long enough to determine what you might be shooting at. You have no business hunting because you are a danger to others.Hunting requires self control and respect for the safty of everyone. "

To; no blaze wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:30 AM:

" Well i guess if I get close enough to a nice buck, drinking orange water, I'll sneak up to it and just electrocute em. what a joke! anyone or anything for that matter would learn real fast what to do, or not to do, when you get 10,000 volts shoved up yer a$$ on a daily basis, they see different shades of yellow, scientists have been saying that for decades, what, now they "change their minds"? whatever. Blaze orange is meant for my safety, it's not a joke and merchants are hardly getting rich off of a $7.99 orange vest, you choose not to wear blaze? that's your right (for now) but we all know what happens when commonsense is left in the truck. "

S wrote on Oct 26, 2007 7:41 AM:

" To no blaze orange, I agree with you that deer can see colors, but I think a deers eye sight is a lot worse than a humans. They see movement more than color. I have had deer come right up too me when wearing a red woolrich coat and orange hat. I was just standing there, it wasnt until I waved my hand that they saw me. I disagree that everyone will eventually have a negligent discharge. Sure every dumba$$ who doesnt pay attention might, but this story isnt about negligent discharge anyway as the shooter meant to pull the trigger. I think the lessons here are that orange helps hunters to identify other humans. I dont care if it becomes mandatory or not, its a good idea so I do it. Im not saying that orange is the cure all solution for hunting fatalities, but I think it can help reduce them. The cure all solution is to have responsible hunters who can identify the target and know that the shot will be safe before it is taken, because no matter what color you are, the shooter holds ALL the responsibility for where that bullet goes. "

No Blaze Orange wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:59 PM:

" Folks do your research! Blaze orange use is false! Studies have shown deer can in fact see blaze orange, even distinguish different shades of orange. Check the net, I'm confident that if you thoroughly search it, you'll find it. Here's what they did... First they discovered deer have more cones than previously thought (can see color). They died water different colors and shocked the deer that drank certain colors. Of couse they randomly changed the water/colors location. Eventually discovering that deer can distinguish between shades of blaze orange. Now, what do we do? Train folks not to shoot folks! Control your muzzle! Control your muzzle! I constantly teach folks that you will indeed have a neglegent discharge if you use firearms regularly. So, if you always point your muzzle in the safest possible direction, when and if your neglegent discharge occurs you will be okay. Think of your muzzle as a lazer beam that destoys everything it points at... if you point it safely at all times, no one will be injured. Again, blaze orange clothing is a joke--don't be fooled by those who want to sell you their product! "

well wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:48 PM:

" that's what happens when you drink and hunt "

Russ wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:38 PM:

" First I would like to give my condolences to the family of the man that lost his life in the hunting accident. Second I find it “ironic” that the F & G would be talking about safety when they were proposing an unsafe rifle range within 5 miles of this accident and had to be taken to court before they would cease and desist. How about making it mandatory to wear hunter Orange / Red, I use to wear it in Montana when I lived and hunted there and it saved many lives and has been the law there for over 30 years. Why not in Idaho since a deer’s doesn’t have the ability to detect black and white from color, “I can testify to that in my many years of hunting and living in the woods”. The fact is people are coming to this “Bayview” area and shooting at random with no regards to private property or any knowledge of where houses are located either. "

smart hunter wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:27 PM:

" I guess the hunters today are reading a different set of game laws than me! In north idaho you can only kill either sex whitetail deer ,muledeer bucks and at the time of this accident bull elk . But as we all know that is not all the wildlife in our woods so I guess this guy was willing to break the law by shooting at the first thing that moved. Therefore, orange or not this person is better of behind bars than in the woods! "

common sense wrote on Oct 25, 2007 5:19 PM:

" Just follow the g*d-d*mn rules/etiquette! Is that so hard? It is an absolute tragedy and shame that someone has lost their life over this incident. "

me wrote on Oct 25, 2007 5:18 PM:

" Why don't they have a law requiring hunters orange???? In Montana you are required to wear so many square inches, or you are fined!!! "

kinda like wrote on Oct 25, 2007 4:53 PM:

" looking both ways at RR xings "

sh wrote on Oct 25, 2007 4:48 PM:

" first I'd like to give my sympathies to the shooter and the deceased, they all will live with the fact of a needless/careless death. second, even though it is not a law, why don't people have common sense to wear a color that doesn't even resemble/look like a deer? third, this event happened after "legal" shooting times. read the regulations for hunting hours/times. fourth, it's a fact, idiots/jerky hunters will shoot at a movement rather than their prey. the idea of a "one shot kill" has been long gone and to shoot at a "movement," justifies the stupidity of most of the so called "hunters" in this area. I hunt the Idaho area, but I watch the idiots that run around with no "protection/identification." Their the one's that are possible targets. Sad to say, there are too many people running around with guns that should have "diapers" rather than guns "

df wrote on Oct 25, 2007 4:12 PM:

" with all due respect karli, we are trying to save lives here and make people think before they step out into the woods which is more then I can say for Mr Gribbin but since he works for this particular state, what do you expect. Hunt with an unloaded gun and then when you have your game identified, find your shells, load them as your shaking like a leaf with buck fever, and expect the game will still be in sight. And hunter orange is not a bad idee!! these people actually get paid! But your right Karli, it is very sad! "

karli wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:57 PM:

" I think that people are to caught up in the fact that david wasnt wearing hunters orange, and are forgettin that a young man has lost is life. RIP david you will be greatly missed by all who knew you "

wapiti wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:40 PM:

" Wearing blaze orange should be the logical thing to do when hunting. I wear it when just walking my dog during hunting season. I think we should remember that the shooter was probably a good friend of the victim. It will be a hard thing to live with. The victim was also partly at fault by the clothing choice he made. The best thing is for hunters to remember this and other accidents in the area have mostly happened when hunters were wearing green camo if you look at the stats. A word to the wise should be sufficient. My thoughts and prayer are with both families. "

df wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:30 PM:

" i am amazed they have no law requiring the orange --you would think a state with a mandatory seat belt law would also require the orange for hunting. its just to thick and brushy in this county not to require it. my son and i wear it --don't shoot us we are orange!!! "

Mike Petersen wrote on Oct 25, 2007 11:29 AM:

" I even stay away from the shooting range before hunting season, the lack of safety habits of some of these once-a-year shooters is scary. "

Defense wrote on Oct 25, 2007 11:26 AM:

" Dick Chaney was this guy's mentor. "

PF Guy wrote on Oct 25, 2007 10:56 AM:

" Blazer Orange is not a bad idea. But I have friends that still been shot at with orange jacket on. I've noticed that most of the younger hunters tend to shoot at movement rather than at an identified target. I've seen younger hunters shoot into brush to try to flush what ever is in there. My grand dad tought me to S.I.T.S. (spot, identify, target, shoot). And never ever shoot blind. "

Chad wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:46 AM:

" You're an idiot for not wearing blaze orange in these woods. You are also an idiot for laying your rifle sights on a target that you aren't sure of. If you aren't 100% positive of what you're looking at through your scope, then you better not pull that trigger. It amazes me that hunters (some that I even know) think that blaze orange looks gay. I completely disagree. I think pink lipstick with buttless chaps looks gay. But blaze orange cos yer out trying to kill something looks far from gay. wise up, hunters. dont ruin it for us legitimate folks in the woods. "

Wait wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:29 AM:

" Before you start judging about the lack of orange (yeah, I always do wear orange), wait until you hear if that was the cause. It may have been an accidental discharge. And be careful, because now we have to listen to all the anti-hunter, anti-gun PETA freaks use this as ammo against us normal people. The fact is, when you go hunting, your chances of getting killed are greater on the drive there than by a gun. "

Anon in Careywood wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:09 AM:

" Wearing blaze orange isn't just a good idea. If you don't wear it, you're an idiot. I'm not saying Howard deserved to get shot (no one does) but it's a lot harder to shoot someone accidentally if they're glowing like a neon pumpkin. A cheap blaze orange vest can be had for less than ten dollars. "

My 2 cents wrote on Oct 25, 2007 8:05 AM:

" He11 yeah, blaze orange is a good idea! And "70 feet" if you cant make out animal from man at 70 feet you need glasses and or you need your gun taken away. This tells me that where they were was in deep thicket, which means he wouldn't have a clear shot (if it were an elk/deer) anyway, (or it was intentional) I've said it on the train crossing bars post, and I'll say it here too...because of people like this we have to idiot proof every thing around us, it doesn't matter how mad we get, it's all around us everyday. And what stinks about this whole thing is that (I say) within 5 years (of casualties) it will be mandatory to wear blaze orange, why is it, we can see that it needs to happen NOW, and no-one else can? is there a "magic number" of deaths that has to take place before somethings done about it.? why are we not allowed to vote on this topic? man the tree huggin animal rights activist are gonna have a ball with this one. "

2 mistakes were made wrote on Oct 25, 2007 7:40 AM:

" #1 "Howard was wearing a grey sweatshirt" The same color as a deer this time of year. To all hunters- this happens every year, learn from it. Wear orange, yea it looks gay but it can save your life. #2 I cant imagine how people can shoot at something without identifying the target first. Its just a deer, if its too dark to see, let it go. "

RadRevD wrote on Oct 25, 2007 6:22 AM:

" Wearing 'hunter orange' merely 'a good idea'??? Why isn't it mandatory or at least camo orange? The deer cannot see colors. They see different shades and intensities in a gray pattern. There is no excuse for not making some degree of orange mandatory. If anything is indicted, it should be Idaho's 'Live and Let Live' mentality. "

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